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Woods Paranormal Research Center here in

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Kevin and gun format hello everybody and

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hello to everybody in the higher and

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come join us there tonight we're gonna

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be talking to paranormal history and

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investigator Alessandro from Milwaukee

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ghost tours but before we bring her on

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we're gonna do tonight shuttles shout

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outs go to those folks who and

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thank you kindly and appreciate it

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greatly but we have them soon all right

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this week we have Walt Christos dots of

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Christos cindy-lou bizarro world Matteo

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Cody River pain radio Casey Janssen Anna

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SKS kyun Allen Larson Geoffrey Hale cert

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paranormal Don and Brent Elmer dark

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matters and mysteries Brian siege center

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Jamie Danlos paranormal soup Howie Odell

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course everybody in chat yes it's always

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good to see the regulars and new people

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in chat as well yeah all righty so

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tonight's categories are ghosts in

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haunted places the urban legends

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tonight's guest paranormal historian and

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investigator Alison jearlyn from

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Milwaukee ghost tours she also doesn't

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lectures on these subjects Jenna I have

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conference and also at the Chicago Coast

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and we enjoyed those very much she also

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Year award two years and of course she

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dozens plural of the recent Chicago

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flying phantom sightings boots on the

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ground doing quality investigating

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trying to verify any of these reports

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she'll share findings regarding those

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investigations with us as we go along so

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shall we bring her out yes

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Allison are you with us yes I am

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hi thank you so much for having me on oh

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you're most welcome thank you for coming

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out well since we uh see ya since we uh

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since this is your first time on the

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nonpareil universe which was long

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overdue by the wick and les sake we're

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asked those that come on for the first

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time which is just how did you get into

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the involved in internal research and

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investigating and yeah well I've always

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been interested in the essential

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questions like you know why are we here

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what happens after we die are we alone

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in the universe I mean these things

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always captivated me from you know

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probably about fourth grade on I would

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read anything about you know ghosts and

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Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster and

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UFOs I mean this this was a pervasive

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wanted to do something about it but it

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didn't quite know what and and I'm I'm

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know some of the people that I know now

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kids we could have had a great Scooby

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time and do that but yeah you know from

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childhood these questions have really

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captivated me and I just can't believe

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you know they don't care evade more

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people wanting to know you know what

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lies beyond I know you have a keen

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interest in paranormal history

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might fall intense ring into the back

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interest in paranormal history as doobie

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like God Kathryn Eric crow and Harry

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you're an educator there's all that in

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fact to the Alice equation yeah well I

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am a fourth grade teacher and you know

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so I'm warping young minds on a daily

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basis or shaping young minds you know

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how you look at it but yeah you know

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you know exploration of the unknown and

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learning really really go together

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together while I find that this this

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sense of inquiry and this this wonder

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kids with as well I mean it I mean

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really in the classroom you know being

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into the paranormal and having lots of

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friends in the paranormal you know it's

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what you used to be a classroom rockstar

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really so it as I said it works it works

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hand in hand and yeah I mean definitely

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researchers researching those who have

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gone before and in paranormal research

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inspires me as well because I think you

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know we can learn so much from those

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that were there before us and then we

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shouldn't forget the past you know we

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don't want to be doomed to repeat the

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the the past you know instead we can

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learn from it and you know stand on the

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shoulders of giants and that's what I

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try to do you know it amazes me how many

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people out there in the paranormal don't

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realize how far back some of this stuff

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goes yeah and there are people who don't

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realize it's been study academically and

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you know I'm just all kinds of things

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and the first time I came across any of

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your work that was the very first thing

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I notice Wow who's this I gotta check

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this top oh well thank you for saying

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that yeah you know I I'm glad that that

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you appreciate that because I think a

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lot of people lose sight of the past and

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you know they're just looking at today

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which you know there's a lot we can

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learn today but you know don't forget

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all the people who have made

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contributions in the past I mean they

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can enrich you know what you're learning

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whole our society doesn't much

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appreciate you know what happened you

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know maybe even six months ago or or a

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few years back you know when you go a

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few decades it's surprising how much

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people have forgotten and then if you go

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years 200 years you know it's really

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people treated like ancient history when

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it's really not that long ago and you

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the Victorian age for for instance still

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influences so much of our thinking today

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like in Europe there's there's more of

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an appreciation of the past but you know

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nassima you know and I'm not quite sure

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why that is but I think we have to

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connect with the past and you know with

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the spirit of those who have gone before

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the spirits that I've gone before or

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metaphorically you still can learn

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something and you know ah stop still you

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like the old stuff and I noticed a lot

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old stuff that gets buried and forgotten

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about will get rediscovered this happens

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and unexplained you know aha

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for me it's cool as a you know as a

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parent stirring also to uh you know find

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like you don't come across something

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like just not even two weeks ago

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Jennifer and myself came across mob ties

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Summerland nobody had ever talked about

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this you know and here it is in a old

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book by Tom Hollis you know who is the

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you know other Wisconsin's original era

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nhoa story and I guess yeah how I refer

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you I mean and here it's right in this

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book and and everyone's forgotten about

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it and so old book on our shelf and this

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not reading it for years and it's like

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damn it's just right there and it's just

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you know Wow yes

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yeah and that happens all the time yeah

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we can't afford to you know lose sight

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of that stuff that there there's so much

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in history that can inform what we're

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doing right now

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and you know more people really need to

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have an appreciation for it I'm glad

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you're also I would Steve very practical

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and uh that's what I'm looking for just

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balance between the skeptical side

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typical methods side let's say the para

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sociology or even metaphysics balance in

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between up I guess that helped him that

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see you sometimes talk about well I mean

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I really struggled with it personally

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you know as you know being being

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involved in the paranormal you know

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you're gonna get it from both sides

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you're gonna get people coming to you

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with wild claims all the time that you

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know it's it's tough I mean don't get me

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wrong I really want to believe I really

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really do but I you know I I don't want

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to delude myself you know I want to go

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after things that where there's really a

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basic basis for a discovery there you

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wishing be what I'm doing I mean I I

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want I want the I want it to be there

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right and if it's not there it's not it

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doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that

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it doesn't exist it just I just mean we

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have to accept that you know sometimes

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with the paranormal you're gonna be able

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to you know find something and sometimes

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you won't and and that's okay so but as

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with this balance because you know like

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I said y'all people coming at you with

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wild claims and then there's people that

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are just perfectly willing to throw the

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baby out with the bathwater which isn't

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valid either you know and that I I think

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we I think people just give so-called

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skeptics who are really cynics a little

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bit too much airtime because just

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denying everything isn't a valid

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approach either because you

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to become you know so jaded with

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people's claims and and just seeing you

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know how ridiculous things can be and

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then I began you know having

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extraordinary experiences and just

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discounting them and and explaining them

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away and and thankfully now I've had

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enough experiences to be able to say you

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know what there is some there there

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there is something going on and that

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doesn't mean I give room for the

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extraordinary and I think we all have to

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network that covers 99 percent of people

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past 90 days C store for details and

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terms conditions do that we all have to

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say you know what there are things still

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to be discovered and there is something

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to some of these claims and we shouldn't

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just throw it out and you know going the

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whole James Randi camp where we just

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disbelieve things as a matter of course

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I I mean that's a that's um a deluded

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point of view as well and you know you

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gotta drive yourself into the center and

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and stay there stay on the fence you

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know not teetering towards the either

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side but you know looking straight ahead

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and that's what I try to do well said so

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I'm gonna try to try the next the try

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I'm going to try the next question and

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see the following question okay I guess

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I'll start with the first question you

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get the second question after you answer

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the first and that is and I've seen you

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write about this

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- and this is something else I have a

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common interest in and the question is

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what fascinates you the most regarding

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culture and para sociology hmm well

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that's a big one I think okay so what

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what I would say is is cross-cultural

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connections like I'm really into stories

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of the little people because even though

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people think you know I'm sure people

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are listening right now saying whoa

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fairies that's crazy and and hey I'm not

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saying they definitely exist but but I

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am saying Wow you know look at the fact

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that you know we have in the United

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States indigenous cultures native people

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who have stories of these others these

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beings that live beside us that they

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call the little people or you know

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various various terms equate to that and

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then of course you have Ireland with

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their rich history of fairies and then

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you look at Iceland and there are people

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there there there's a majority of the

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population there in Iceland which

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believes in else and I was interviewing

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for my youtube channel which is

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youtube.com slash Mothman of course

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there's a lot of Mothman videos on there

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which I'm sure we'll get to in a little

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bit but there's also a playlist for

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other paranormal interviews and one of

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the interviews I did recently was I

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interviewed the leader of the headmaster

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of the elf school and Reykjavik Iceland

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oh wow yeah his name is Magnus and he is

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a parent

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normal investigator and has been for

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many many years since his college days

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and he is now an alder and he's talked

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to me about Icelandic beliefs and the

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Icelandic belief and else and he said

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you know Alice and the reason why we

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believe in elves is this is a very

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close-knit culture and everybody here in

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Iceland knows someone who has had a real

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experience with elves that's why they

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they cannot shake it they still hold to

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that belief even though a large majority

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of the population believes that there is

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no God I mean they're a theists but they

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believe in elves so and the reason for

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that is you know even though they're

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rational you know they can't they cannot

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deny something that you know they've

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grown up with in their families and

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through their friends this this knowing

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that elves are real and that elves have

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real relationships with families over

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there and you know this is something

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that has gone on for centuries so yeah I

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think that's what fascinates me the most

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you know that's one example of these

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cross cultural connections as they

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relate to the paranormal and you know

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the you got these diverse cultures which

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essentially believe the same thing and

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have the same type of stories now you

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got to look closely at that because you

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know people in Iceland you know they

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weren't necessarily talking to you know

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native people here their job way and the

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Menominee so or in Hawaii the the

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Menehune which are essentially once

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again the little people

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so these diverse cultures it's not

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likely

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they came into contact very often but

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they have these very very similar

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beliefs hey something's probably going

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on there I would say so right there's

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there's always some relation and uh and

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yet

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using the example oh no it's like like

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in Ireland for instance they routed a

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whole highway a complete highway around

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area because everyone believes the helps

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or they are the fairies the fairy folk

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live there and you can go into these

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woods people have you know paranormal

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investigating and all kinds of things

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happen all kinds of bizarre things and

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that's very similar to Iceland as well

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they they have different construction

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and road maintenance projects and Road

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building projects that they have

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rerouted and changed you know this we're

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talking about major funds in in modern

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times being spent so that the elves are

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respected and you know you know the odds

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you know like for instance Ireland and

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Iceland are kind of close but why

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Iceland not so much right and you know I

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mean sitting around you know other parts

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of the world too so okay so the reason I

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brought up one of the reasons I brought

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her sociology not only because you've

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discussed but uh let's see here the late

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dr. Don or

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was a pair of sociologists from the u.s.

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of wisconsin-milwaukee who investigated

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the paranormal

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of course well in case he worked on

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which I know you also know well and some

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people out there listening me actually

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noticed went well too um this goes back

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this was featured on unsolved mysteries

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all right a while back um and when Casey

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worked on was haunted

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wrong house right can you watch through

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the history of this silikal bed um

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because I think I think it's totally

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fascinating and I and I just read the

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article you wrote not to I thought well

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I want to ask her about this yeah uh

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yeah so this was a big case in the 1980s

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so 1987 to 1988 there was a family of

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the last-named Tallman who was living in

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horican Wisconsin and the the children

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began to report unusual activity in the

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house

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like the little boy he had a little

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radio in his bedroom and reported you

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know that you know was one of those old

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dial radios and that the dial kept going

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up and down by itself and you know there

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are other manifestations that that the

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children were privy to as well and then

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the parents began to experience things

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and the most dramatic was was when the

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the husband actually came home and he

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thought that the garage was on fire he

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heard a voice you know calling out to

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him and yeah it was a pretty dramatic

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case and the reason one of the reasons I

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know but it was just because you know of

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course that was something that was of

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interest to me at the time even back in

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the eighties that this was a big case

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that was you know on the news so I of

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course had had my ear to the ground just

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a little bit at the time and you know

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then it was featured on unsolved

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mysteries and it's still still a hugely

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popular episode

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even you know decades later but I became

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involved

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most recently because you know as you

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said dr. Don Miller

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and I know it's spelled Mueller but I've

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since found from the family that it is

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actually pronounced Miller after so many

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times pronouncing in Miller filled me

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with chagrin are our Mueller it filled

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me with chagrin but it is Miller so dr.

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Don Miller he was an associate professor

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of Social Welfare at uw-milwaukee the

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University here and I'm sorry to say you

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know even though UW Milwaukee is my alma

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mater and I was there at the same time

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as dr. Miller was working there you know

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we didn't meet while I was at the

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University I'm just so sad that I didn't

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realize that he was so involved in this

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at the time as I said he was a professor

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of Social Welfare and he also taught a

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little psychology there but you know my

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interest in him is as a researcher of

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the paranormal so he like I do now when

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all around town here in Milwaukee

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presenting on haunted locations and

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claimed to have some 2,000 slides and I

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I saw these claims in old newspaper

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articles you know from the Milwaukee

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Journal Milwaukee Sentinel and I was

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like why he's got 2000 presentation

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slides well what happened and then

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unfortunately you know found that you

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know he died in in 1994 but subsequently

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was I was able to connect with his

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family and they they now live in Atlanta

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and they invited me down there this

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summer and I reclaimed the two thousand

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slides in fact they're sitting right

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next to me as I speak to you and three

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big boxes and in

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in all this treasure trove slides were

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these photos of the Tallman house and

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unfortunately I don't have a lot of

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notes at this time the family is still

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looking for notebooks or other things

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that may contribute to our knowledge in

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the future but you know right now I have

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these slides and I was like whoa hey

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here are some slides from the Tollman

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house back in 1988 and it shows slides

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that show the investigators that were

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there on the scene slides that also show

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the bunk beds they had they had these

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bunk beds which were purchased at resale

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and so these bunk beds originally were

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thought or were later thought to be the

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source of the haunting and after they

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were removed from the house and

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unfortunately put into a local landfill

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the all the activity at the house ceased

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so but I I have probably the only

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remaining photos of the of the house at

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that time the investigators and these

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it's just great to be able to connect to

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paranormal history and you know try to

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reclaim some of that past knowledge it's

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time for a quick commercial break you

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Simon ologists and of course the

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00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,120
northern Wisconsin Paranormal Society

545
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:15,240
limited like age also check out late

546
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,950
monstrosity and alter conspiracies to

547
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Facebook group behaviors we are involved

548
00:30:28,790 --> 00:30:25,530
with what a match up and what a team

549
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:28,800
Mike MetroPCS in the iPhone se for zero

550
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,470
dollars on a network that covers 99% of

551
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:35,220
people in the US are impressive play

552
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,530
with the best switch to MetroPCS and an

553
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unlimited LTE plan and get a 32 gig

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iPhone se for $0 not your pcs covers not

555
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available in some areas plus sales tax

556
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claim based on talking text not now

557
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,800
interactive numbers currently on the

558
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t-mobile network directive on metro pcs

559
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in the past 90 days C store for details

560
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in terms conditions you have any

561
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,179
questions for a guest good iron chat on

562
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Twitter a lot iron chatroom we push

563
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:04,770
questions and make comments and Jennifer

564
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:10,170
pass those along so you still with the

565
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:13,710
Severson oh yeah happy to be here thank

566
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:18,050
you for the second half of the show

567
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:22,110
gonna discuss the controversial Chicago

568
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:23,490
flank anthem

569
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,280
we've covered this topic last year when

570
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:28,500
the reports were counted in the 20s and

571
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:32,370
the Chicago a flying phantom task force

572
00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:35,610
was in its conception now it's almost

573
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,590
yearly

574
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:38,460
there are over

575
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:43,799
60-plus works yeah yeah and uh yet no

576
00:31:49,879 --> 00:31:47,360
conclusive evidence or proof between

577
00:31:52,999 --> 00:31:49,889
them now

578
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:53,009
you were part of that task force had

579
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:57,840
some yet turns let's say yes thrown out

580
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,350
on my ear yeah so you left and you

581
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:04,440
proceeded to do what no one had done

582
00:32:11,259 --> 00:32:08,820
concerning these reports which was to do

583
00:32:18,109 --> 00:32:11,269
the old-fashioned boots on the ground

584
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:18,119
investigative or yeah I think that's so

585
00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:22,129
important that you know I can't believe

586
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:25,799
nobody else has done it but I I'm the

587
00:32:32,769 --> 00:32:30,690
only one who has been to all of the

588
00:32:36,499 --> 00:32:32,779
sites and let me preface that by saying

589
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:36,509
there's two new ones now and actually

590
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:41,990
there's there's one that has surfaced in

591
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:47,610
the Lake Geneva area as well or you know

592
00:32:53,409 --> 00:32:50,190
near near whitewater near Lake Geneva

593
00:32:58,039 --> 00:32:53,419
there there have been reports as well so

594
00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:58,049
there's some more work to be done but as

595
00:33:04,489 --> 00:33:00,210
you said you know now there's about

596
00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:04,499
sixty two reports in the Chicagoland

597
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:08,789
area although there is there's a map of

598
00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:12,960
Chicago phantom sightings map which is

599
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,230
maintained by lawn Strickler of the

600
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:18,899
Phantom's and monsters blog and and used

601
00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:24,570
to feature my videos until my my

602
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:30,269
feelings about the sightings turned a

603
00:33:35,539 --> 00:33:33,090
little bit more inquisitive and and

604
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:35,549
skeptical and you know when that

605
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:40,049
happened you know as I said there wasn't

606
00:33:48,909 --> 00:33:43,980
there wasn't any room for skepticality

607
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:48,919
and I was kicked out of the task force

608
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:51,059
unfortunately and

609
00:33:56,629 --> 00:33:53,190
I just think that as paranormal

610
00:34:02,779 --> 00:33:56,639
investigators we have to be open to

611
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:02,789
diverse beliefs or takes on on the

612
00:34:10,899 --> 00:34:05,970
phenomena you know we can't all be

613
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:10,909
expected to toe the party line and

614
00:34:18,859 --> 00:34:13,409
unfortunately that's what I came up

615
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:18,869
against wipline Strickler and I really

616
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,359
want to embarked on the whole of Mothman

617
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:25,500
expedition I live in Milwaukee Wisconsin

618
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,250
and you know so wasn't easy for me -

619
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:31,560
every weekend you know since about

620
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:35,609
August go back and forth to Chicago but

621
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,950
it was doable and I thought you know

622
00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:40,379
what if I call myself a paranormal

623
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:43,409
investigator you know I better be there

624
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:45,569
with boots on the ground because yeah

625
00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:47,609
it's hard but it's not it's not

626
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,909
impossible it's close enough that you

627
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:53,099
know hey I should be there seeing what I

628
00:34:59,540 --> 00:34:55,859
can see if there's really a moss man in

629
00:35:04,069 --> 00:34:59,550
Chicago hey I want to be there I want to

630
00:35:06,319 --> 00:35:04,079
catch a monster or sight a monster I

631
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:06,329
mean this this is what motivated me not

632
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:10,290
to not to you know be a cynic about it

633
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:15,060
but you know the search for a monster is

634
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:17,670
what really captivated me so you know

635
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:20,940
that's what kept me coming back when

636
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,640
these sightings were reported on the

637
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:26,460
phantom and monsters blog and then they

638
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,089
came up on the map of every weekend I

639
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:33,180
would go to Chicago to these locations

640
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:36,990
and then I would document the location

641
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:42,900
and and the account on video first as a

642
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:45,450
Facebook live so that people could ask

643
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,450
questions and then took the videos and

644
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:51,599
archive them on YouTube and you can go

645
00:36:02,359 --> 00:35:55,980
watch them now on youtube.com slash

646
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:02,369
Mothman so you can you can see all the

647
00:36:07,539 --> 00:36:04,430
different locations

648
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:07,549
sans two reports that have just surfaced

649
00:36:12,759 --> 00:36:10,700
recently but I'll be getting back to

650
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:12,769
Chicago on the next couple of weekends

651
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:15,650
to get those on there as well so you can

652
00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:18,890
see the actual location and you can hear

653
00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:24,380
the account and see if the account and

654
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:27,859
the location matches up that seems to me

655
00:36:33,579 --> 00:36:31,400
you know basic due diligence and if

656
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:33,589
you're not doing that you're not really

657
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:36,200
investigating it's great to take in

658
00:36:45,759 --> 00:36:40,940
witness accounts but you do have to you

659
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:45,769
do have to do more than just take what

660
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:47,749
someone's telling you and throw it up on

661
00:36:54,459 --> 00:36:51,049
the web as truth I mean you have to look

662
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:54,469
into what you're being told and you know

663
00:36:58,569 --> 00:36:57,049
see if it matches the basic facts and if

664
00:37:00,670 --> 00:36:58,579
it doesn't I think you really need to

665
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,680
throw it out and that that's not what

666
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:03,920
has been done here with these recent

667
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:10,460
cases I was surprised to learn that when

668
00:37:19,299 --> 00:37:15,200
I that that you were checked out and why

669
00:37:20,499 --> 00:37:19,309
because you wanted to do what you know

670
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:20,509
any good investigator

671
00:37:27,729 --> 00:37:24,890
would have done you know like for us you

672
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,739
know in the society you know I haven't

673
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:29,599
investigators say hey I want to go you

674
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:30,920
know do this and check this out like

675
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:33,369
absolutely you know you want you wanted

676
00:37:38,829 --> 00:37:35,690
to check these out you want to be able

677
00:37:40,779 --> 00:37:38,839
to verify facts you know see if they're

678
00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:40,789
credible and like you said if they're

679
00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:44,869
not then you know it's to put it out

680
00:37:52,229 --> 00:37:48,920
there and and call everything like you

681
00:37:53,859 --> 00:37:52,239
know and then the other thing too is uh

682
00:37:56,289 --> 00:37:53,869
well I

683
00:38:01,029 --> 00:37:56,299
why don't you tell us about some of the

684
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:01,039
discrepancies yeah okay so one of the

685
00:38:07,059 --> 00:38:04,130
most glaring discrepancies that that

686
00:38:13,479 --> 00:38:07,069
really bothers me because it's been it's

687
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:13,489
still reflected on the the map the

688
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:18,300
sightings map on the Phantom

689
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:20,820
stirrers blog and also in Lund

690
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:23,370
strickler's recent book about the

691
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:27,090
Mothman sightings in Chicago so there's

692
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:31,500
one account that was purported to be

693
00:38:39,070 --> 00:38:35,010
from a police officer actually there's a

694
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:39,080
few where you know police officers were

695
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:44,190
said to be witnesses but this particular

696
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:49,440
one occurred in auburn gresham which is

697
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:53,220
a neighborhood in Chicago this summer

698
00:39:03,560 --> 00:38:58,200
and so apparently there was a group of

699
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:03,570
of people a residence who spotted you

700
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:07,350
know a strange winging humanoid on top

701
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,760
of the roof of you know one of the the

702
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:14,220
apartment buildings on a certain black

703
00:39:22,450 --> 00:39:18,120
and so then they flagged down a passing

704
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:22,460
police car and then another report

705
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:26,490
surfaced saying that it was from the

706
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:29,580
police officer now this is significant

707
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:32,190
because the person who was interviewed

708
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:34,650
who said he was a police officer also

709
00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:39,570
said that he filed a police report about

710
00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:42,840
the sighting and so I got excited

711
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:46,620
because when a police report is cited

712
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,520
that's public information that is freely

713
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:53,760
available under the Freedom of

714
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,960
Information Act and so knowing from my

715
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:01,440
past you know at the University I

716
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:05,460
studied journalism and so all the time

717
00:40:10,850 --> 00:40:07,800
you know we would the students would be

718
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:10,860
tasked with going and checking out the

719
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:13,470
police reports and you know writing

720
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:16,710
articles based on recent police reports

721
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:18,740
so I knew that they would be available

722
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:23,850
so of course I was really sad to find

723
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,530
there was no police report and I was

724
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:31,920
really initially upset when

725
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:35,460
approached the task force and I said hey

726
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:38,670
hey guys you know it's mentioned in here

727
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,100
that there's a police report so you know

728
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:44,880
who has who has looked for this police

729
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:46,770
report and what was the form of the

730
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,810
request and what did you get back and

731
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:50,640
the reason I asked that is you know

732
00:40:54,830 --> 00:40:52,530
sometimes particularly with Freedom of

733
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Information Act requests you have to

734
00:41:01,460 --> 00:40:59,130
request it in a certain way to get the

735
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,470
response you want and so I wanted to

736
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:04,020
follow up and you know find out what was

737
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,590
done

738
00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:07,440
you know what came of it and then how I

739
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:10,620
could follow up and nobody in the group

740
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:15,300
got back to me so then I went through my

741
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:18,360
own sources I have a private

742
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:22,950
investigator friend who has sources on

743
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:27,090
the Chicago PD in the Chicago PD and he

744
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:30,210
had one of his friends look up the

745
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:33,090
police reports from that night and he

746
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,100
was able to tell me that okay look we

747
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,260
had this money robberies we had this

748
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:39,720
many of this and that and we have no

749
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:46,170
reports that match that that sighting

750
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,020
and so my question is if the people in

751
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,180
the task force know that and I haven't

752
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:55,920
one person that's still currently on the

753
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:00,180
task force to tell me that hey it was

754
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:02,550
well known that there was no police

755
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:06,780
report okay so how can we believe this

756
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:09,660
supposed witness then if he says he

757
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:12,090
filed a police report and there's no

758
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,820
police report why do we still treat his

759
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:17,940
account as gospel and put it on the

760
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,430
website and put it in the book and even

761
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:22,950
go so far as in the book in Long's book

762
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:26,490
he says well you know if if somebody's a

763
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:29,490
police officer and they're they're out

764
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,820
there risking their life every day while

765
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:35,280
I'm gonna believe what they say okay

766
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,430
line you don't know that this guy is a

767
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,310
cop because you have no proof and what

768
00:42:45,590 --> 00:42:44,400
he we told you about the report seems to

769
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:45,600
be a lie

770
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:47,370
and you know why is that not noted

771
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,280
anywhere is my question again I can't

772
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:55,140
help but the goal you know as you're

773
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:57,950
talking this you know like like our

774
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:00,180
group everybody that's work that works

775
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:02,250
up case everybody shared you know like

776
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:03,630
we share information with each other and

777
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:05,850
we trust each other yeah you know what

778
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:12,840
I'm saying and it's just it's it's

779
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,800
disappointing that that that happened

780
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:19,920
yeah so it was very disconcerting

781
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,030
because you know I expect I expected I

782
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:26,460
thought I was gonna have fine a monster

783
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:28,710
I mean that's what really excited me

784
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:33,750
about it and instead what I found was

785
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:37,380
you know monstrous tactics I mean they

786
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,470
you know I I think you know if you're an

787
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:42,480
investigator you should investigate

788
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:45,540
it's not about well how many wild claims

789
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:48,930
can I accumulate and put on a website

790
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,500
and in a blog because if these things

791
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:54,960
are not authentic then that muddies the

792
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,200
water for the rest of us yeah and and so

793
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,560
that's that's one prime example but you

794
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:07,380
know you can go and watch my videos now

795
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:10,170
and see that you know when things don't

796
00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:13,170
match up I let you know right during the

797
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,360
video because I'm like okay let's file

798
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:17,160
in the footsteps of the witnesses and

799
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:20,700
see if these things make sense and you

800
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:23,490
know later on I would meet another

801
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:27,090
investigators Sam moranto who is the

802
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:32,100
head of Illinois MUFON and he also has

803
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,080
found that you know a lot of these

804
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:36,240
things don't match up when when the

805
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:39,390
witness says you know sites that there's

806
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:41,610
a certain phase of the Moon or you know

807
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:43,170
that there's certain weather conditions

808
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:45,810
they don't match up with what really

809
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:47,010
happened that day

810
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:50,660
same thing with location right like

811
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:53,640
where they would do it some of these

812
00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:55,530
reports were or you a description of the

813
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:57,600
location and then you can go there and

814
00:45:02,570 --> 00:44:59,490
see that it doesn't even match up

815
00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:02,580
yeah I I mean there there was um you

816
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:06,360
know one report this was there's a

817
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:09,260
couple of reports on there from 2011 and

818
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:14,910
one of them talked about these five this

819
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:18,990
five-story building where the one of the

820
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:22,290
witnesses lived and you know that the

821
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:26,030
Mosman was at her window essentially and

822
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,150
unfortunately in that area I went all

823
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:32,280
around are there any five-story

824
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:37,410
buildings no and then the report also

825
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:39,780
says that when her boyfriend was coming

826
00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:44,640
to pick her up he went by the park which

827
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,820
is it's called its Miller Park and

828
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:50,400
actually I went running around searching

829
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:53,340
for it I had missed it initially because

830
00:46:02,750 --> 00:45:57,570
it's a speck it is a lot between two

831
00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:02,760
buildings and apparently these witnesses

832
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:07,880
saw the Mosman lighting on top of a

833
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:13,020
basketball hoop and okay so this little

834
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:17,190
Park is a kiddie playground this is for

835
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:20,550
toddlers you know with a swing set and a

836
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:24,119
slide there is no basketball hoop and it

837
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:26,910
is a very very small area you you

838
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:29,580
wouldn't expect to see I'm a Mothman on

839
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:33,510
top of anything there and so it's just

840
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:35,970
ridiculous when things don't these basic

841
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,220
things don't match up you know how are

842
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:39,900
you supposed to take the wild claim

843
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:47,940
seriously yeah and so many - you know I

844
00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:51,630
gotta say you know something with so

845
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:54,840
many sightings should produce more

846
00:47:00,740 --> 00:46:58,640
results physically metaphysically

847
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:00,750
especially considering the descriptions

848
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:03,210
we keep hearing and and in the you know

849
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:05,670
60 some reports we're talking a major

850
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:08,520
metropolis area right people are there

851
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,390
per square mile

852
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:11,400
and yet nobody's got this on their their

853
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:12,200
phone

854
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:14,990
um ya know groups have come forward and

855
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:17,510
the other thing too is that I would say

856
00:47:23,050 --> 00:47:19,160
in the last ten years of our society

857
00:47:25,690 --> 00:47:23,060
with the people that we taught you uh I

858
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:25,700
could say you know conservatively

859
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:27,770
probably like a quarter of the people

860
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:29,510
that come forward with reports of

861
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:32,180
paranormal activity are willing to talk

862
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:33,290
about it openly

863
00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:35,690
I mean next you know that's you know

864
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:37,880
that's on average I'd say you know right

865
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:42,230
and so the fact that you got all this

866
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,990
stuff and nobody except for I I know

867
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,160
Jack blue found one or two witnesses

868
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:50,960
yeah courts were more where you thought

869
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:53,030
I mean after listening to the whole

870
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,890
thing I thought man yeah that's more

871
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:56,960
again like it sounds more like ufology

872
00:48:01,319 --> 00:47:59,150
than cryptozoology yeah

873
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:01,329
and that was the thing - it seemed like

874
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:05,300
they were looking a the task force was

875
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:07,490
looking to take anything out of the

876
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:10,310
ordinary and put it in the Mosman or

877
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:13,369
flying humanoid basket even if it didn't

878
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:15,320
match you know there were reports in

879
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:17,510
there of you know just seeing like two

880
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:22,310
red lights and you know because you know

881
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:25,130
they were equated those red lights with

882
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:27,770
red eyes you know automatically it's

883
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,020
lumped in when really when you read the

884
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:32,960
account it sounds like two lights right

885
00:48:39,849 --> 00:48:36,890
so you know that's not a monster man

886
00:48:42,579 --> 00:48:39,859
okay you know you might want it to be

887
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:42,589
because you got a book coming out but I

888
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:45,920
mean that you gotta you gotta put a

889
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:47,720
little bit more rigor into your

890
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:50,270
investigation and yeah let's look at

891
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:53,390
that because it just seems too

892
00:48:59,950 --> 00:48:56,890
convenient that all of this would happen

893
00:49:05,890 --> 00:48:59,960
right in time for a lion strickler to

894
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:05,900
get out his book right at the the 50th

895
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:08,710
anniversary of the Silver Bridge

896
00:49:16,510 --> 00:49:12,470
collapse so December 15th

897
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:16,520
well 1967 and then this year December

898
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:21,710
15th 2017 that was 50 years so that

899
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:25,280
tragedy is equated with the so-called

900
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:26,010
original

901
00:49:31,310 --> 00:49:28,230
Mothman sightings in Point Pleasant West

902
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:31,320
Virginia and so it's just all too

903
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:35,220
convenient that this would these you

904
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:41,250
know so many cases would occur just in

905
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:43,890
enough time to write a book real quick

906
00:49:49,610 --> 00:49:46,110
and then get it out for that anniversary

907
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:49,620
it just seems suspicious boy the Mothman

908
00:49:56,330 --> 00:49:53,040
accounts in Ohio you had police reports

909
00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:56,340
you had military presence you had all

910
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:58,230
kind of strange lights and other things

911
00:50:00,980 --> 00:49:59,460
in there I mean there are clearly

912
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:00,990
different I mean to me it seemed

913
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:02,610
different all right

914
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,440
you had people that came forward that

915
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:05,520
were traumatized

916
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:09,090
you know yeah several people and they

917
00:50:14,330 --> 00:50:11,610
came forward to the press I mean there

918
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:14,340
there were at least a hundred accounts

919
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:17,480
and you know most of them you know you

920
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:20,100
you're able to know the names of the

921
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:23,190
witnesses they came forward and you know

922
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:27,810
so I think that's why those sightings in

923
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:29,730
you know Point Pleasant West Virginia I

924
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:32,460
mean that's why they still you know hold

925
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:35,880
so much gravitas even today is because

926
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:38,010
people were willing to come forward and

927
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:41,580
you know there there is a group a

928
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:44,670
handful of people that have talked to my

929
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:48,950
friend Jack blue over in Chicago and

930
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:52,110
here's the problem you know there might

931
00:51:00,860 --> 00:50:58,290
be some actual authentic accounts coming

932
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:00,870
out of Chicago but when you let

933
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:04,320
everything in and and don't and don't

934
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:08,760
use any discrimination then how can you

935
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:11,910
tell what's authentic and what's not

936
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,490
I mean you really can't it's it this is

937
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:17,220
the principle on which disinformation

938
00:51:24,350 --> 00:51:21,480
works you know they just if there's

939
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:24,360
somebody who wants to silence what's

940
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:26,670
going on well they've effectively done

941
00:51:35,090 --> 00:51:32,160
that by you know flooding the field with

942
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:35,100
bogus reports because no you know

943
00:51:42,220 --> 00:51:39,680
unfortunately essentially nobody is is

944
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:42,230
separating fact from fiction here so you

945
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:44,540
can't tell what's what that's that's the

946
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:46,700
real tragedy is you know there could be

947
00:51:51,730 --> 00:51:49,670
something real going on but we can't

948
00:51:54,579 --> 00:51:51,740
tell you what it is because you know

949
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:54,589
nobody's being discriminating about

950
00:51:59,950 --> 00:51:56,450
what's going on and just like throw it

951
00:52:06,339 --> 00:51:59,960
all up there well thank you

952
00:52:10,569 --> 00:52:06,349
you and Jack and and Sam and Ben either

953
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:10,579
and a few others who who who were you

954
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:14,180
know very uh you know like hey this

955
00:52:20,109 --> 00:52:16,490
isn't cool you know this has got to be

956
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,119
done properly you know we only got a few

957
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:21,520
minutes left and I want to talk about

958
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:28,040
the hype Erica yeah so in July July 13th

959
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,640
through 15th this July 2018 we're I'm so

960
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:37,520
proud to have been asked to be involved

961
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:41,000
in the first paranormal conference ever

962
00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:46,190
to be planned in Hawaii so it's gonna be

963
00:52:52,359 --> 00:52:49,790
in Oahu and I'm gonna be speaking there

964
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:52,369
on cross cultural connections like I

965
00:53:01,120 --> 00:52:56,630
touched on today and you know there's

966
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:01,130
more connections between Hawaii reports

967
00:53:07,089 --> 00:53:04,430
extraordinary reports and the mainland

968
00:53:09,609 --> 00:53:07,099
and so I'm gonna be talking about the

969
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:09,619
the similarities and differences there

970
00:53:15,579 --> 00:53:11,750
and it's really an international

971
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:15,589
conference so everybody should should

972
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:17,420
just check it out I mean you know you

973
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:21,260
want to go to Hawaii anyway oh I Paracon

974
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:24,530
come the tickets are very affordable for

975
00:53:31,650 --> 00:53:28,400
the actual event and you know we're

976
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:31,660
expecting that there there will also be

977
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:34,960
be some flight deals coming up with

978
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:37,700
American Airlines offering expanded

979
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:41,180
services to the area expanded flights

980
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:44,089
rather but but anyway yeah check it out

981
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:47,540
at Hawaii parrot con-com as I said it's

982
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,450
an international conference so you know

983
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:52,880
we're I'll be speaking there but you

984
00:53:59,020 --> 00:53:53,570
know there's also

985
00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:59,030
so Greg and Dana Newkirk from Ohio with

986
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:01,070
their paranormal Museum they'll be

987
00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:04,700
attending and presenting their we have

988
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:08,300
Fred Fogerty he's a an investigator from

989
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:11,300
Edinburgh Scotland who will be reporting

990
00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:13,850
on the McKenzie poltergeist and other

991
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:16,280
McKenzie poltergeists throughout history

992
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:20,270
and also hypnotism in the paranormal and

993
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:24,610
then of course the it's being planned by

994
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:28,580
lopaka Kappa Nui who runs haunted

995
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:31,430
history tours in Oahu and he's a Native

996
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:35,090
Hawaiian so he'll be bringing authentic

997
00:54:41,170 --> 00:54:38,930
Hawaiian paranormal knowledge so and and

998
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:41,180
we'll also be having local presenters

999
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:44,840
about the Japanese influences on the

1000
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:48,350
island and the the URI and yokai stories

1001
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:51,470
that have been introduced to Hawaii from

1002
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:54,140
that culture so it's really gonna be an

1003
00:54:59,250 --> 00:54:56,450
international meeting of the minds and a

1004
00:55:04,680 --> 00:54:59,260
conference like never before

1005
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:04,690
that's not awesome if we're at the time

1006
00:55:17,110 --> 00:55:12,530
we would definitely fly out okay so you

1007
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:17,120
have a radio show yeah yeah yeah so you

1008
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:19,370
you can hear me quite regularly on my

1009
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:22,250
brothers podcast which is called see you

1010
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:25,460
on the other side and you can find our

1011
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:27,860
episodes and we're pretty close to like

1012
00:55:35,710 --> 00:55:31,370
200 hours of content right now at other

1013
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:35,720
side podcast.com so so do check that out

1014
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:40,400
every week every Tuesday we have a new

1015
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:45,110
episode coming out and and we're soon to

1016
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:48,500
interview Nick Redfern about his a new

1017
00:55:54,490 --> 00:55:52,280
book about the Slender Man and we'll add

1018
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:54,500
our two cents in from being locals as

1019
00:56:02,980 --> 00:56:00,640
well yeah that's awesome let's see okay

1020
00:56:05,830 --> 00:56:02,990
thank you so much Alex when we've ran

1021
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:05,840
out of time oh no problem I I really

1022
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:07,350
appreciate it

1023
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:09,550
and we're gonna have to have you back on

1024
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:13,870
that yes is there so much more we could

1025
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:17,950
talk about so next week we have psychic

1026
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:20,200
profile Ravi Thomas the week after that

1027
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:21,730
we have to take with therapist Tom

1028
00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:25,780
McGuire to the believer evidence is

1029
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:27,460
overwhelming to the skeptic there will

1030
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:30,130
never be enough thank you god bless you

1031
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:31,960
everybody have a wonderful weekend and

1032
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:33,640
we'll see you here next week good night

1033
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